Miriam & Buzz Phone Chat 2

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What happens when a Rape Survivor
collaborates with an Abortion Survivor
as they strive for healing and recovery?

Hi, I'm Miriam. I was raped and had an abortion in my teenage years.

Ms. Vulgar Buzz is an abortion survivor.

We have both had our share of trauma.

Our unlikely collaboration began when I discovered TheVulgarBuzz.com in 2023. I was intrigued because of my own experience. Read more about that here. 

My girlfriends and I developed "What Would Female Fetuses Say?" (WWFFS.net) in September of 2024 as a result of pondering Ms. Vulgar Buzz's work for several months.

The Vulgar Buzz site disappeared in fall of 2023 and though we had tried to reach out to the site creator many times, she had covered her tracks well. We never connected. Until...

In December of 2024 we realized that 'TheVulgarBuzz.com' domain was available and we immediately bought it and pointed it to one of our web pages (Who Wuzz Vulgar Buzz?).

BAM!

Within 24 hours we had received an email from Ms. Vulgar Buzz herself. Read more about that here.

After exchanging a few emails we realized we needed to chat on the phone. We both agreed that it would be a good idea to record it, transcribe it and post it for all to see. We posted our first conversation here and below you will see our second conversation.

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Miriam and Ms. Vulgar Buzz Have Their Second Chat on the Phone

In our second conversation we chatted about maintaining anonymity, Moana and the beebee drop  among other things.

(Recorded and transcribed December 31, 2024)

Buzz: Hello again Miriam!

Miriam: Helloooo Buuuuzzz!!!

Buzz: Hoping you had a lovely Christmas!

Miriam: We did have a good one, never a dull moment with three kids, a dog and two cats in the house with us. Oh yeah, and my sister and her family and my Mom and Aunt. How was yours?

Buzz: Very good and yes our family is a zoo when we get together as well but I love it!

Miriam: So glad you had a good one! Hey, I was wondering since we last talked about the web domain you originally chose: TheVulgarBuzz.com… how’d you come up with that?

Buzz: Well, I mentioned that I love the Babylon Bee and it was kind of a silly salute to that I suppose.

Miriam: Yeah we kind of had a hunch but I didn’t want to assume.

Buzz: Hey, I have a question for you…

Miriam: Fire away!

Buzz: I managed to stay anonymous on the web, and I appreciate you honoring my request to stay that way. But how are you and your friends ensuring your anonymity? You look like you’re in it for the long haul, unlike my site which was short lived.

"...we truly have no desire to be known nor do we really have time between careers and family life to engage people in public debate, interviews or the like. Our goal is rather to expose as many forms of the banal sophistry around this issue as we can within the limited scope we have chosen."

Miriam: Fair question, we truly have no desire to be known nor do we really have time between careers and family life to engage people in public debate, interviews or the like. Our goal is rather to expose as many forms of the banal sophistry around this issue as we can within the limited scope we have chosen. 

As far as anonymity, you’ve probably noticed I use a character from Prince of Egypt as my avatar. I have no intention of anyone ever finding me, my husband, my kids or my girlfriends. We have taken decent precautions to keep it that way. I suppose some sophisticated soul could track us down somehow, but even our blogger phone number we use in case we get locked out of our account is with a trusted friend half way across the country that would die before giving out any personal information about us. So I feel relatively safe, safe enough anyway. 

And really, I feel pretty strongly about the level of erroneous thinking, outright deception and insanity involved in killing the unborn. I don’t mind suffering for the sake of these most vulnerable and voiceless souls if it comes down to that. I’m certain my girlfriends and husband feel the same way.

Buzz: That’s good, sounds like you’ve all thought it through a bit and I’ll pray that God protects you from any backlash.

Miriam: Thanks Buzz!

Buzz: You’re welcome.

Miriam: So, I think I mentioned in my last email that my girlfriends and I have been chatting about the first Moana film together. Just yesterday we did a deep dive on some of the more intense scenes and we are thinking we see some deep realities there that very much apply to our shared trauma… wait, have you seen the movie?

Buzz: Yes, it is a favorite of mine and we are going to see the new one soon.

Miriam: Us too! So what strikes you about the movie? I mean, before I sully your thoughts with our take on it, I kind of wanted to hear what you think, if you don’t mind.

Buzz: Alright, well, hmmm… since you mentioned it in your email, I was thinking about the strong female lead which is the theme of so many recent movies. Long overdue in my opinion. However, the female that is the strongest in Moana is actually not Moana but the life giving goddess gone rogue and she is really quite scary. I really think the easiest way to sum up her part is something like “Go ahead, tear the heart out of woman, just be warned it will release the lava monster within.”

Miriam: Yes, I think that theme was blatantly intentional. We found out in our googling that Te Kā is the lava monster that resolves back into Te Fiti after she gets her heart back. Check this out, we found this quote online… hang on… gotta find it… <pause>… ok, here it is:

“Why does Te Fiti become Te Kā?

The violence and aggression exhibited by Te Ka stem from the loss of her heart, which is the source of life and harmony for the island of Te Fiti. When the heart was stolen by Maui, it led to Te Fiti's transformation into Te Kā, causing her to become consumed by anger and pain.”

Buzz: That makes sense, I just couldn’t remember the names of the gods. And again, Moana is very brave to confront Te Kā and help her transform back into Te Fiti. I just love it. And I’ve had some of that going on in my own life this past year.

Miriam: I’m so glad to hear that, because my girlfriends and I were thinking that you’d really received some serious healing after I reviewed our first phone chat with them. Can you tell me more about that?

"...after my therapist helped me process things by suggesting the Vulgar Buzz website... after a bit I took that down... well after that, she started connecting me with other abortion survivors, and over time I started making personal connections with them..."

Buzz: So after my therapist helped me process things by suggesting the Vulgar Buzz website... after a bit I took that down... well after that, she started connecting me with other abortion survivors, and over time I started making personal connections with them... I mean, there are groups on the Internet already that are starting to speak out... like the Abortion Survivors Network ... I think it's in Kansas City I can’t remember but there’s others and I don’t want to expose the ones I got connected to, but they really helped me start the process of healing or continue the process of healing from the trauma of being - you know - rejected and thrown away so to speak by my mother and start working on forgiving her...  

You know she had a crazy situation... she was definitely molested and raped by a family member and so she had a lot to work through and yeah, I’m...  I’m learning to let her go as far as being angry towards her so now my anger more you resides towards the culture that imbued that insanity into her mind that it was just OK to discard your child like that...  

And, so I’m starting to work through resolving that as well because you know rage --  in a personal face-to-face conversation -- rage is probably not gonna get through. You know a meme is one thing... a vulgar meme is more like a slap to get your attention, but rage...  rage face-to-face is not in my experience ever going to communicate truth, as well as tenderness and kindness...  and so yeah I .... I think that that explains how far I've come in a short time actually since fall of 2023, and I know I still have a ways to go... I’m sure you can attest that with your own Story.

Miriam: For sure. ... So you’re slowly resolving back from Te Kā to Te Fiti is kind of what you’re saying. You’re no longer the volcano goddess.

Buzz: Right exactly and you know again it’s a process. I know I still have my moments where I just spout out but it’s less and less. I just see that there are more effective means when communicating with people face-to-face than screaming vulgarities and so yeah I don’t wanna be that volcano goddess anymore. I wanna be the most life-giving person that I can be ...and at the same time, though I just think that it’s really important for the rest of the world to see the extreme trauma and harm abortion and even attempted abortion causes.

It's kind of crazy though, there seems to be a gag order or I don’t know if that’s the right way to say it some kind of a censoring of sorts towards the voices of those who have been traumatized by abortion... including the mothers themselves that have the abortions performed you know and so it just seems really important to put some sort of expression of this trauma out there and I’m glad you guys did this. 

"Sometimes it takes a bit of a shock to be snapped out of your way of thinking that you've held for so long and are just convinced that you're fighting for a noble cause when actually it turns out that there are humans being overlooked and horribly mistreated in the process."

Miriam: Yeah... we're hoping it will help people be more aware of the errors in thinking, the truama, the sophistry, all of it. Sometimes it takes a bit of a shock to be snapped out of your way of thinking that you've held for so long and are just convinced that you're fighting for a noble cause when actually it turns out that there are humans being overlooked and horribly mistreated in the process.

Buzz: Yes, I’m glad you guys didn’t just throw away my images. I think it’s probably important to have a permanent record of that trauma out there for the world to see that this is a real trauma... I found that when talking to others, it doesn’t really help but the memes are a whole other thing... so you guys have the genius to take the memes and put them out there and then say OK it’s kind of a dirty diaper but it’s true... what they’re saying... it’s true and let’s just clean it up a bit so...

I think your two prong approach... using the hard slap with the vulgarity, and then the more gentle approach with your memes that you’ve created that compliment mine, I think it’s genius... and it allows people access to some of that trauma in a small way and granted this is a tiny effort and it’s totally up to God to do whatever he wants with it honestly.

Miriam: Agreed... it's affirming to know that I think maybe we’re on the same page on this. We just don’t know what God might do with it. We leave it up to him... you know... to use our tiny efforts in this whole battle for life that has been going on for virtually all of human existence, but greatly increased in the past several decades. What we’re doing by targeting and killing the unborn...  it’s....  it so dwarfs anything that Hitler or Mussolini or anybody has ever done to exterminate a certain population or at least drastically reduce a certain population... it’s so far more drastic than anything humanity has ever done before... 

Hey, Buzz... have you ever heard that...  the beebee drop thing?

Buzz: No, what’s that?

Miriam: just a sec. Lemme find it on the web and play it for you over the phone…

[Miriam plays the video below for Buzz]

Buzz: Holy shit! That, that is so disturbing!

Miriam: Yeah, castes it in a bit different light doesn’t it?

Buzz: yes and yet you still get the pro-choice movement getting angry at being compared to Hitler when actually a thousand times worse.

Miriam: At least.

Buzz: Hey Miriam, my Mom is ringing in, I have to take this... I hate to end on something so dark, but... 

Miriam: No worries, life happens, we'll make up for it next chat... 

Buzz: Promise. Talk again soon!

Miriam: Bye!



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